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Holder (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Hi Reptilien.19831209BE1

I was asked by Wikimedia Foundation to promote this call for participation on the planned Universal Code of Conduct.

Best regards.

Pendant plus de 19 ans, les Wikimédiens et Wikimédiennes ont travaillé ensemble pour bâtir la plus vaste ressource de connaissance libre de l’humanité. Durant cette période, nous somme passés d’un petit groupe de contributeurs à une communauté de rédacteurs, de développeurs, d’affiliés, de lecteurs, de donateurs et de partenaires.

Cependant, nous réalisons que rester fidèle à notre objectif, celui qui est exprimé dans notre vision d’«imaginer une monde dans lequel chaque être humain peut librement partager et contribuer à la somme de tous les savoirs», nous avons encore beaucoup de travail à faire.

Par moments, nos contributeurs et contributrices, de même que nos projets eux-mêmes, ont souffert d’un manque de normes qui non seulement nous unissent entre nous mais qui permettent de créer collaborativement un environnement où la connaissance libre peut être partagée sans crainte. Afin de nous rapprocher de cet objectif, nous devons nous assurer que toutes les personnes qui souhaitent contribuer de manière constructive sur nos plateformes se sentent à l'aise et encouragées à nous rejoindre. Nous avons besoin de normes qui peuvent aider à créer un environnement constructif et inclusif qui encourage le partage des connaissances libres.

Au fil du temps, plusieurs échanges ont souligné la nécessité d’avoir un ensemble règles de conduite s’appliquant de manière universelle aux différentes communautés, et enfin, le Conseil de la Fondation Wikimedia a rendu publique une déclaration, promulguant de nouvelles normes pour lutter contre le harcèlement et promouvoir l'inclusivité au sein des projets.

Le Code universel de conduite constituera un minimum de règles s’appliquant à tous les projet Wikimédia, et à nous tous, salarié(e)s et bénévoles, aux quatre coins du monde, et aura un impact sur notre travail et nos groupes, nos membres et nos projets. Il est important que nous participions tous et exprimions nos idées sur ce Code, sa nature, ce que qu’il devrait prendre en compte ou non; comment il pourrait faire croître, freiner ou aider nos groupes.

C’est le moment d’en parler. Votre communauté fait partie du mouvement Wikimédia et votre voix compte. Pour qu’elle soit entendue, vous êtes invités à en savoir un peu plus sur le Code de conduite universel et à exprimer par écrit vos idées et réactions sur la page de discussion . Pour plus de flexibilité et pour encourager la participation dans le plus de langues possible, vous êtes chaleureusement invités à traduire la page principale du code de conduite universel dans votre langue respective . Vous et votre communauté pourrez choisir d’exprimer vos opinions dans la langue de votre projet. Par ailleurs, dans le cas où la page sur metawiki ne serait pas encore traduite dans la langue de votre projet, veuillez noter que vous êtes encouragés à répondre dans la langue de votre choix même s’il s’agit d’un fil de discussion initié en anglais sur le code de conduite universel.

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MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Hi! Modele:Licince coviete does not have interwiki links. That makes it hard for me to find out what it is meant to be used for. Is it magazine? Book? Music album? Everything? I saw you edited the template so I thought perhaps you would know :-) Anyway the easiest is to mirror en.wiki and if you do not want to create 50 licenses and 50 categories then just the most used and a general "Fair use" to use for everything else. And perhaps add a small text in English in a "noinclude" if you have any templates you can't link to other wikis.

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Hi! This template is used as a Fair use license especially for cover book (and magazine). The interwiki link is en:Template:Non-free book cover. We have not yet a template for basic Fair use, if you have time... ;-)

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Sure my skills to translate to wa will be a success. But if I end up telling that this wiki eat babies for fun then don't blame me ;-)

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I made the simple Faire use template here.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Great! Your translation looks better than mine :-D

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I may not do this, I'm not yet an interface administrator on this wiki. Lucyin will probably grant me this statut in a few days.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

That would be a good idea so you can fix some things.

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MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Hello

I noticed that you are checking files/images and they are easy to move to Commons. I don't know if you know m:Help:Extension:FileImporter but once it is set up you can move files with 2 clicks. One click to start the tranfer and one click to say ok.

Once the files are moved to Commons they should be checked and info corrected if something needs to be fixed.

The script should add a "NowCommons" automatically.

Many of the files in Categoreye:Copy to Commons - Lucyin should be ready to move. I do not speak Wallon so I prefer a local user check and move. If there are typos in the file name I would not notice :-)

If you want to try just go ahead. And if you find other files you want to copy I can help set up the script.

I can also fix description etc with my bot if that is any help. I just need to know what to do.

My plan is to move all the easy files first. Lucyin is still active so I'm sure we can have him add a license later.

Cheers!

Michael

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Yes, I already used the tool you mention, and as you can see here i also tried to setup the proper file to be able to use it, but it was not so easy that I thought.

I saw the job you did to improve the transfert to Commons. Thanks a lot for this.

You can count on me to help you in this task.

Cheers

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Aha I see. That is great! Yes if we modify the tool the transfers will be better :-)

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

If I do changes like this edit then transfer will be better.

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I take note.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

It's a bit complicated to explain, I hope to be clear enough saying that many images in the pseudo namespace Motî: (ie. Motî:djaler) come from an old dictionary project (written by Lucyin and Pablo themself), called Esplicant motî do walon, available here. In 2003 that project moved here on Wikipedia (under this pseudo namespace) and knowned a few improvement before to be moved again on Walloon Wiktionary in 2005.

All pages in this old project are going to be deleted in a few days, and images as well, except some of ones that could be useful for the Wiktionary that will be transferred on Commons. We saved all pages of this temporary project on our own archive. The image you pointed is not useful for us anymore and can be deleted.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Aha! I was wondering what the Moti namespace was :-) Its a sort of old wa.wiktionary. Well if they can use the images on wa.wiktionary they can of course be moved to Commons.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Anyway if they delete the pages soon then a lot of images will become unused. I guess that would make it easier to decide. Files like Imådje:Toet trawe.jpg and Imådje:Wooteu wi.jpg should be okay to move if they are usable.

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Yes, all images in this namespace are under free license, most of them made by Lucyin.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Should all pages in Motî: be deleted? Or does someone need to check them manually? If all are going to be deleted I'm sure a bot can do that.

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Yes, all theses pages can be deleted right now, if you are able to do this (with a bot ?).

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I am but only if my bot is promoted to an admin :-)

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I'm going to (re)ask Lucyin to do this. :-)

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I was an admin at en.wiki, da.wiki, lb.wiki, ms.wiki and commons before I took a wikibreak so I know how stuff works. I can delete a few first so you can check that everything is fine before I delete thousands of pages. It is better to be sure :-)

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Sure. We May need to remove Modele:Wiccionaire-motî from the category first. If the template is deleted first I think all the pages using it will be removed from the category.

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

With your bot, could you please in the same time replace in the main space all links Motî: by :wikt: ?

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Yes that should not be a problem as long as the link is changed from Motî:footo :wikt:foo

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I made 10 edits from Motî: to :wikt:with my bot now so you can check if that is how you would like to have it. Let me know if I should change some more.

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Fwait ! I checked, it's ok for me.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

For example on Agricoûteure it says "Po des linwincieusès racsegnes sol mot "agricoûteure", alez s' vey e splitchant motî." What about the motî in the end?

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I saw, it's not a problem. I'm going to create this article.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I deleted 3 articles as a test. I get a warning that some pages link to the articles. Would you like me to delete the pages first? Or change the links first?

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

You can first change the links, but I think you'll have warning anyway because there are links into the Motî: namespace to others articles in this namespace. Do the easier for you.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Okay. I will change the links first then. Is the change of Antene okay? Or should the bot leave the Moti unchanged when it is not in a link?

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

No it wasn't, but it's not a real damage. Are you able to test this case before any change ? ie. if Motî: is not preceded by [[

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Yes I can exclude cases where there is a blank before "M". I will change articles with no blank first. Then we can see the other ones later.

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Ok :-)

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

The bot changed 10 pages starting with Motî: before I could stop it. If all are going to be deleted that is not a problem. But if you wanna keep some of them we change them back later.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Okay links are now changed. I will start to delete. I will start slow so you can check. I will speed up later.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I noticed this Cawete -idjot a redirect. Seems the bot did not edit redirects. Should it have done that?

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Yes, it should, i'll take a look later about these kind of redirects.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Okay i deleted some pages now. I found no mistakes. There are some redirects that will now be broken. And there are some links in userpages that will no longer work.

If all looks good I will speed up deletions. I just have to go for 15 minutes

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

It's seems good for me. About links in userpages, it's not important, in my opinion, but i'm going to see if we should change this too.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Okay I will start deleting files again.

I should also be able to change links in userpages too if you decide we should do that too.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I changed one page as a test Uzeu:Borbouze and it looks good to me. Just let me know if you want me to change it. Users can revert if they do not like it.

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Yes, you can process, i took a look and it should redirect to the Wiktionary.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Should K(i)- also be deleted? It does not start with Moti:

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Yes ! Well seen !

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Have to take the dog for a walk so I will pause the bot. I dont like it to delete stuff when I'm not around :-)

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Cool. Then we will soon know how many broken redirects there are and how many unused files :-)

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

If you have many pages that need the same edit perhaps I can help with the bot. And it looks like Commons:MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js could be useful for wa.wikipedia :-)

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Yes, I've installed this gadget on wa.wiktionary, where I am admin, here I cannot. Can you install the gadget with your bot account ?

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I think it is better to ask a local admin :-)

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Wow! 3.500 broken Redirects related to moti ;-)

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

You can delete them if you have already a such list.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I'll do the same :-) good night

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Good morning!

I added a list of broken redirects to Uzeu:MGA73/Sandbox. Could you have a look and let me know what to delete? You can either remove those that you want to keep or you could make a comment "Delete all that starts with Moti:" or "Delete all that links to a page that starts with Moti:"

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Great! To be sure I removed all lines that do not have Motî: in both page name and redirect. We can delete those later.

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

ok

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Okay now the Moti-Moti are deleted. I put the rest back in my Sandbox. Perhaps you could have a look again and see if you want more deleted.

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
Èl-Gueuye-Noere (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Hello everyone,

I see your message. I tried to create the page: "MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js" but I didn't succeed in doing that, because (even though I'm an administrator on wa.wiki) I'm not allowed to create "MediaWiki" pages.

@MGA73: Don't you know someone, who is in high places, and who could create this page, here?

Sincerely yours,

Èl-Gueuye-Noere

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)
Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Indeed, only interface administrators have rights to do a such thing. I'm going to see that with Lucyin.

Èl-Gueuye-Noere (copinercontribouwaedjes)

I have only seen your message after publishing mine. Sorry. :)

Èl-Gueuye-Noere (copinercontribouwaedjes)

This is the message that I get when I try to create it:

"There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page."

So, I think the only one, who has the right to create this page, is @Lucyin. He is regarded on wa.wiki as a bureaucrat (higher-administrator), and I'm only regarded as a sysop (lower-administrator).

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Okay well then we have to wait :-)

MGA73 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Lucyin said on his talk page he would try to install HotCat when he have some time. If you know how to do it you could ask him if he could make you an interface administrator or whatever is needed to fix this. That is perhaps much easier.

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Èl-Gueuye-Noere (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Bondjoû Reptilien,

I gn' a ene pådje sol Wikipedia avou des imådjes ki sont nén uzêyes eyet 'l madjorité est cwand minme foirt pitite. L' idêye sereut ki djè disface les ci ki sont "nén-uzåve". Estoz-vos d' acoird avou çoula ? Vocial li loyén : https://wa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sipeciås:Fichiers_inutilisés

Dj' a d'dja dmandé çoula a Lucyin eto.

Amiståvmint,

Èl-Gueuye-Noere

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Lucyin (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Dji l' a metou sol waibe.

Dj' a yeu Pablo å telefone, mins i n' aveut nén rçû vosse messaedje. (so pabloATwalonPONTorg).

Dji louke a çoula dimwin (li batreye est cåzu distcherdjeye).

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Mi sereu dj' trompé dins l' adresse...

Djel a revoyî, sins saveur s' i faleut !

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Èl-Gueuye-Noere (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Bonswer Reptilien,

Dji disface les imådjes wice vos avoz scriaje (a disfacer), si djamåy dj' a rovyî di disfacer ene imådje obén si dj' a fwait ene flotche, ni tchictez nén a m' dire.

Amiståvmint,

Èl-Gueuye-Noere

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Bondjoû camaeråde.

Tapez èn ouy divins cisse categoreye ci. I nd årèt d' ôtes, metans dins les cenes ki n' sont waire eployeyes. I nd a eto ki fåt bouter foû eviè les Cmons.

Amiståvmint.

P.S. por vos siner (mete vosse sinateure) scrijhoz l' wikicode ~~~~ al plaece di Èl-Gueuye-Noere a tchaeke côp ;-)

Èl-Gueuye-Noere (copinercontribouwaedjes)

L' imådje "Couvin JPG02.jpg" est li seule imådje a esse so Wikimedia eyet dji pou målureuzmint nén l' disfacer.

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Gn a rén avou ça ;-) Et si vos clitchîz vaici ?

Èl-Gueuye-Noere (copinercontribouwaedjes)

C' est fwait sol Wikipedia walon (viè vosse difoûtrin), mins dj' a stî verifyî tot d' shute après sol Wikimedia eyet djè croe k' el imådje est todi rola, a-z aveuri pus tård.

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Lucyin (copinercontribouwaedjes)
Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Si l'imådje est dvins les Cmons, adon el fåt radjouter so Wikidata (come dj' a fwait vaici), on pout eto eployî l' paramete imadje come dj' a fwait po Gaston Lucy.

Prindoz asteme k' el modele infoboesse n' est nén co fini et k' i poreut n' nén roter dins tos les cas. Dji boute co dsus cwand dj' a-st ene miete di tins. Si vos toumez so 'ne aroke, dijhoz mel.

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Èl-Gueuye-Noere (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Bondjoû Reptilien,

D' aboird, dji mande escuze po vos disrindjî. Dj' a scrî 'm candidateure po esse manadjeu po li walon-cåzant Wikipedia. Èm candidateure est roci : https://wa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Inte_di_nozôtes

Si vs plait, poloz-vs vôter (OYI/NENNI) dzeu 'm candidateure ?

Dank davance po l' rindaedje ki vos poitroz a m' candidateure,  

Èl-Gueuye-Noere

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Lucyin (copinercontribouwaedjes)
Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Il est ddja so Wikidata (Q65409185), mins dji va sayî d' recråxhî les dnêyes.

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Èl-Gueuye-Noere (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Bondjoû Reptilien,

Dji vs scrît pask' on årtike do Lucyin a stî vandalisé på on IP : https://wa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A5tcheuse-bateuse&action=history

Dj' aveut seu candjî 'l årtike eyet 'l rarindjî. Dj' a dmandé eto å Lucyin po k' il astoke èç IP, ci ki est d'dja fwait. Mins nérén, dji vôreu bén saiyî di les bloker på mi-minme, dj' aveut dmandé å Lucyin so 's copene (Vandalisse) comint fé mins i m' aveut di di loukî avou vozôtes. Poloz-vs, s' i vs plait, mi mete come manadjeu so li walon-cåzant Wikipedia po houwer ces crapådreyes ?

Di pus, dji vén soulmint m' sovni k' on årtike aveut stî lontins vandalisé, cåzumint tote ene dijhinne d' anêyes : https://wa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RTL-TVI&action=history

Dank davance po 'l rindaedje ki vos portêyroz å 'm candidateure,

Èl-Gueuye-Noere

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Bondjoû, cråne idêye di s' voleur poirter candidat po manaedjî Wikipedia et d' aspaler Lucyin dvins cisse dag la, on manke di bresses. Po divni manaedjeu, i vos fåt mete vosse candidateure sol pådje Wikipedia:Inte di nozôtes (come dj' a fwait vaici sol Wiccionaire) po dmander ås wikipedisses di voter, adonpwis si les wikipedisses ont voté po (tot l' moens 50%) i vos fåt dmander so Meta di candjî vosse statu. Li mandat ni deure k' ene anêye.

Èl-Gueuye-Noere (copinercontribouwaedjes)

Dank po vos esplicaedjes eyet dank po vosse sopoirtaedje. Ç' est avou plaijhî d' vos aidî.

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